And why is it profitable for universities to make incomprehensible lists?

Technical Secretary of the VSU Admissions Committee in 2018

What does the Ministry of Education require?

One of the main reasons why the ratings are so unclear is the lack of clear government requirements. The main document for university admissions committees is order Ministry of Education. There is little and vague information about the ranking of applicants.

Everything is spelled out in Chapter V of the document. Let's explain in simple words what is required from the university:

• A representative of the university should talk about the structure of the rating.
• The university is obliged to publish the results of the competition on dates known in advance. In 2018, the results of the first wave will be on August 3, the second - on August 8.
• The ranking must be published on the official website of the university in the public domain.
• The ranking must indicate which quotas the applicant is applying for. He may have benefits (be a target student, an Olympiad winner, an orphan, a person with a disability, a contract soldier) or qualify in a general competition for a budget or paid place.
• The rating must be updated daily.
• The university must indicate whether you are admitted with your scores. Here is the wording from the order, it is important:“In the lists of persons who submitted documents, for each applicant (with the exception of persons applicants without entrance examinations) information about whether he/she is entering training on the basis of Unified State Exam results and (or) based on the results of entrance tests conducted by the organization independently (clause 51).”

The university should not require an original certificate from the applicant. Each university decides independently whether to separate applicants with copies and originals of documents into different ratings.

What's in reality

The main drawback. The rating of applicants takes into account all applicants: both with the original certificate and with a copy. According to the rules, an applicant can take copies of documents to 5 universities for 3 specialties in each - a maximum of 15 faculties. As a result, the rating is “inflated” by copies and does not give a real picture.

Recommended lists.If you do not bring the original to the university for a particular specialty, you will not be able to be enrolled. If the university does not have good rating, which answers the question of whether you are admitted or not, it will issue lists of “recommended for admission.” Such paper does not guarantee you anything.

To attract more applicants with originals, the university includes more people on the list than there are actual places in the faculty. Such paper is issued 1-2 times during the entire admissions campaign, although it must be updated daily.

The best option.It is most convenient if the website has a separate list of applicants with originals or is sorted by the type of documents submitted. If such a rating is updated once a day, then you will be able to know whether you are applying or not.

If you have not yet brought the original to the university, then count the people with the originals and compare with the number budget places by faculty. This way the chance of admission will be clear.

Applicant Petrov brought documents for 3 specialties and indicated them in order of priority: physics, astronomy, mechanical engineering. Along with the application, he leaves the original certificate. He doesn't have enough points to enroll in physics. Above Petrov in the ranking are people with more high scores, but with copies of the certificate. Technically, he is defined according to his second priority, astronomy. In reality: if Petrov does not change anything, and people with copies do not bring the original, he will enroll in physics.

The rating in this case does not reflect the real picture. Petrov will be ranked according to his second priority, but will be admitted to the first. This is because the rating takes into account both applicants with copies of certificates and originals.

Why is it so difficult?After all, universities should try to make the website as convenient as possible for applicants. Yes and no.

Why not: due to the demographic gap, many universities do not attract students. And those who are recruiting want to teach the smartest guys. Opaque ratings allow faculties to manipulate applicants and force them to leave the originals. Remember, the words of people from admissions committee- not a guarantee of admission.

Sometimes bad listings are the fault of developers who do their work in bad faith.

Why yes: it is physically impossible to endlessly communicate with all applicants and parents. The university posts a rating and thinks it is good. But in the end, due to a misunderstanding, the applicant takes the documents and takes them to a weak university, where he will definitely enroll.

Each university chooses its own methods of fighting for applicants. Someone is campaigning for strong teachers, a good reputation and employment of graduates. Someone is manipulating the ratings. There are also those who use both tactics.

What else might you encounter?Each university has its own information systems, and therefore the ratings will differ. It happens that the university doesn’t bother at all and uploads a Word file. This is even more difficult to figure out.

What to do

1. Figure it out.Most likely, it will take you more than one hour to understand how the site works. Be strong and call the university admissions office. Don't hesitate to ask questions if you don't understand something.
2. Look for lists with originals.This list is the most transparent and makes it clear whether you are applying or not. Only the applicant who brings the original can be admitted to the university. If there is such a list on the university website, check it daily. The situation can change very quickly.
3. Don't forget about the waves.Not everyone is enrolled at once. First, an order will be issued for the admission of applicants with benefits. Then 80% of the budget places will be filled through a general competition. This is called the first wave. After this, you can take the original certificate to the university for another 3 days. Then the remaining 20% ​​of applicants are enrolled in the second wave.
4. Rely only on yourself.The worst situation is if you remain in the second wave at the bottom of the ranking. At any moment, a person with high scores and originality can come and oust you. The university may not call you. Therefore, call the university yourself and find out how many originals were brought today for the specialties that are indicated in your application.
5. Don't be gullible.The commission is interested in not letting you go to another university. Universities hold on to applicants with high scores. And if there is a shortage at the university, then they will hold on to any applicant who brought the original.

Do not forget that they must give you the original immediately upon your request. Demand it and don't believe in excuses.

To the question: What do “lists of those recommended for admission” mean at a university? Does it mean that you will definitely pass or not? given by the author Calculate the best answer is Copied for you:
"About rating lists and the list of those recommended for enrollment"
How are rating lists and the list of those recommended for enrollment formed, and why do so many questions arise?
It is well known that after the end of accepting documents from applicants, the university begins to form rating lists, followed by a list of persons recommended for enrollment. Legal basis such work is an order of the Ministry of Education and Science, which states in a separate paragraph that on July 30, on the official website of the university and the information stand of the admissions committee, information about persons “who have successfully passed the entrance examinations, ranked in descending order of the number of points scored (with their indication) with highlighting in lists of persons recommended by the admissions committee for enrollment in each area of ​​training (specialty).” It seemed that everything was simple and clear. However, this is not entirely true.
Take, for example, such an important point as the number of applicants included in the list recommended for admission. Should it correspond to the number of remaining budget places for which recruitment is being made? Rosobnadzor answers yes. However, in practice, you may encounter a situation where the list of those recommended for admission includes ALL applicants who have applied for the relevant specialty. And when you ask the admissions committee how this is possible, you either do not receive an answer at all, or you are at a loss after the vague explanation that is given.
Let's look at another example. Let's say there is a list of recommended ones. What does it mean, and is inclusion in it an unambiguous guarantee of enrollment (if the applicant, of course, submits the original documents on time) or are options possible here too? Unfortunately, not everything is completely clear about this issue, since there is no clear legal formulation of the term “recommended for enrollment.” Due to this, some universities inform applicants about the relevant guarantees, and thus instill in them a certain confidence in the future, while others do nothing of the kind. Therefore, applicants often have to call almost every university where they have submitted documents in order to clarify this issue. But is the oral response of the nameless interlocutor at the other end of the tube the ultimate truth, that is the question.
However, another important point is vague. It's about on maintaining the integrity of the initial list of persons recommended for enrollment. And indeed, how constant should this list be, and can new candidates be included in it in the interval, for example, between waves of admission? It is also unlikely that it will be possible to obtain an intelligible answer on this topic, since, again, this issue is interpreted by universities differently, and regardless of everything, each of them believes that their point of view is fully consistent with the current ones legal norms. Well, what can we say about this – miracles, and that’s all. All universities seem to be in the same legal field, but only each of them understands it in its own way. And it is the applicants who suffer from all this, who cannot adapt to the ambiguous rules of the game associated with entering a university.
A short conclusion from all of the above - be prepared for anything. You need to focus not only on the list of those recommended for enrollment, but also on the admission plan established for a particular specialty. It is this combination that will avoid many problems.

Based on the decision of the selection committee Lyceum NRU HSE from December 20, 2018:

1. Minimum passing scores have been established for the subjects of the comprehensive test:

Russian language – 4 points;

Mathematics – 4 points;

Foreign language – 4 points;

Advanced mathematics – 10 points;

Sociocultural awareness – 10 points;

Biology – 10 points.

2. Passing scores have been established in the following areas:

Economics and mathematics – 36 points;

Psychology – 29 points;

Design – 32 points.

3. The list of applicants recommended for admission as part of the additional admission to vacant seats in the 10th grade of the HSE Lyceum has been approved

4. Enrollment information

At the meeting, you will be able to receive a certificate confirming that you have been recommended for enrollment to be submitted to your educational institution.

Until 12/25/2018 until 15-00 hours at personal account https://asav.hse.ru/lyceum.html#signin it is necessary to select a curriculum.

To enroll in the Lyceum, you must provide documents according to the list (see bottom of the page) to the address: B. Kharitonyevsky lane, building 4, building 1, room. 207. Please provide a complete package of documents.

All applications and consents can only be completed by legal representatives.

Answers to the most popular questions about enrollment in universities.

July 27- all universities are required to post RANKED names by name (it doesn’t matter here whether copies or originals were submitted by the applicant, only the Unified State Examination points, Olympiads, benefits for determining a place in the ranking) lists of applicants.

July 30- the first orders for enrollment, persons entering without competition (beneficiaries), without entrance examinations (olympiad participants) and target students are enrolled. All these persons provide original documents in advance.

Further, the competition is held on a general basis (based on Unified State Examination scores, and whoever has 100 points for any subject at the Olympiad).
Updated ranked lists of applicants are being released highlighting those recommended for admission (for example, there were 30 places, after admission on July 30 there were 27 places left, which means that the next 27 people participating in the competition on a general basis will be included in this list of recommended ones, REGARDLESS of whether they applied whether they are pre-originals or not).

Until August 4 persons included in the list recommended for enrollment are required to submit originals for enrollment. If you are not on this list, then YOU ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO SUBMIT YOUR ORIGINALS BEFORE AUGUST 4, IT WILL NOT GIVE YOU ANYTHING, AS THEY DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO ENROLL YOU IN THE “FIRST WAVE”.

August 5- orders for enrollment are issued, only those who were among those recommended and provided the originals are included in it
An updated ranked list of applicants is being formed, which no longer includes those included in the list recommended on July 30; in this list, a CONDITIONAL list of those recommended for enrollment is highlighted (that is, if after the orders on August 5 there are 15 places left, then this same list of recommended ones will be included those with more points, REGARDLESS of whether they submitted the original or not, these 15 people will be GUARANTEED to be accepted if they submit the original by AUGUST 9th). Now we think that among these 15 people, many have already applied as part of the “first wave” and do not want to rock the boat, others have completely applied because they have nothing to do, extra supplies, etc., thus, most of them will not bring the originals until August 9, which means places will remain. What to do? Enroll persons who were NOT INCLUDED IN THE LIST OF RECOMMENDED BUT HAVE SUBMITTED ORIGINALS BEFORE AUGUST 9, naturally, IN THE ORDER OF THE RANKED LIST UNTIL THE VACANCIES ARE COMPLETELY FILLED.

August 10- orders are issued for the enrollment of persons, both those included in the list of recommended persons and those NOT included in it, who submitted the original documents before August 9.

Example: out of 15 people recommended for the second wave, only 5 submitted the originals before August 9, but among those lower rated and not included in the list of recommended ones, 11 people dared to submit the original before the same August 9, so what happens, there are 15 places , there are 16 originals, naturally, in this case the one among these 16 who has the lower Unified State Exam score will “fly by”, and the score of the 15th will be passing this year.

July 31 - universities begin publishing orders for the admission of applicants entering without entrance examinations (winners and prize-winners of Olympiads), according to target set, outside the competition, and also post competition lists ranked by the amount of points scored, highlighting a list of people recommended for enrollment in the first wave. What should you pay attention to?

First of all, on the number of remaining vacant places. To do this, you need to take the enrollment plan and subtract from it the number of enrolled Olympiads, target students and non-competitors, which are included in the relevant orders.

It should also be taken into account that the procedure for admission to universities provides for the allocation of a general competitive list a separate list of persons recommended for enrollment. It can be done in color, font or other way. If this is not the case, please clarify this issue with the admissions committee.

Please read the university website carefully. It is possible that you will find a mention of guarantees for those recommended for enrollment there.

Please note that even being included in the guaranteed recommended lists and timely submission of originals does not mean further enrollment in a specific specialty, because Recruitment can be carried out for enlarged areas of training. Further redistribution within them must be finally recorded in the enrollment order, and any deviations in this regard are illegal.

Remember that many universities are trying to recruit applicants as quickly as possible, and therefore the presence of originals in personal file applicant can facilitate enrollment. Although, to a greater extent, this is an exception rather than an established practice.

It is also important to understand that those recommended for enrollment are required to bring original documents no later than August 4. Otherwise, they are eliminated from the competition.

At the same time, the withdrawal of an applicant from the competition in one area of ​​study does not mean his automatic exclusion from all other areas where he was not recommended. Moreover, this does not apply to other universities where he could also apply.